BR>Sounds like someone just arrived at college and is hitting the net to do a
BR>little
BR>stocking up on papers.  Anyone else out there think this is a scam?

Hey, that’s a good idea.  I’ll have to remember that for next year!
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I would like to find out the email address of a friend in the US.
He’s a faculty member of a college near or in Davidson, North
Carolina.  Unfortunately, I don’t know the name of the college – can
anyone help?

Please reply by email.

Thanks

Simon Courtenage                        sim…@dcs.kcl.ac.uk
King’s College London

Is there anyone reading this group from West Virginia University?
If so, please let me know… I need your help.
(fb2…@uacsc1.albany.edu) (or here)
(sorry to waste this width with a personal request)

Does anyone have information on how to find users at the University
of Texas, Austin campus?  If possible, would like online directory
similar to Michigan’s X-500 setup.

Tim Caton
tc60…@american.edu

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Karl_Kleinpa…@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>gbysh…@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>> Second, even if this is true, it does make a difference whether
>> or not such rights are protected.
>I confess to wondering openly how a right, recognized as existing
>(whether pre-existing, or defined into existence at some explicit
>point), can then be "unprotected."  To say "the right exists but is
>not protected" is oxymoronic, isn’t it?  An unprotected right might as
>well not exist — that is, it doesn’t exist _in_practice_, if
>enforcement of the right is unavailable.

If I understand this paragraph correctly, it is _precisely_ my
own point.  Certainly I fully agree with the last sentence.

The point is that, even if I were to recognize some rights as
‘natural’ or ‘god-given’ or otherwise pre-existing, this would
give, at best, a rather cold comfort if my political system were
not to recognize and protect these rights.  If I have a ‘natural’
right to freedom of speech, but am executed for exercising it,
then my ‘natural’ right has done very little work.

[...]

>> Of course, the courts may weigh rights against "compelling
>> state interest", but this is something special.
>> The most obvious "compelling state interest" is the very
>> existence of the state.  Certain actions may threaten the
>> existence of the state — and therefore the protection of
>> all Constitutionally recognized rights — and thus may not
>> be protected.
>Honestly, though self-consistent, this explanation is nauseating.
>It’s the government’s argument for every gun ban ever enacted.
>"Mr Justice, the United States’ compelling state interest in its own
>preservation is fundamentally at odds with the presence of arms in the
>hands of the citizenry.  An armed citizenry may stand violently in the
>way of our Great Society’s protection of underprivileged youths’
>rights.  We ask declaratory judgment that the keeping and bearing of
>arms is not a protected right."

I’d just point out that this is a poorly-constructed example.
I’m not aware of anyone who argues that the courts may simply
annul the constitution.  As I understand it (and I am, again,
open to correction, here), "compelling state interest" does
not allow the broad erasure of any Constitutionally-protected
rights, but only certain narrowly-drawn distinctions.

(As this is appearing in *.guns groups, I should mention that
I am not a gun owner (though I have fired pistols, rifles, and
shotguns in target situations), and (at least sometimes) think
that we might all be better off if there were fewer guns in
circulation.  Nonetheless, I am generally opposed to ‘gun bans’
for at least practical reasons (which does not disallow others):
‘gun bans’ have not been shown to reduce the number of firearms
in circulation or to reduce the number of firearms in the hands
of criminals, and are therefore stupid and pointless, if nothing
else.  This is, of course, all pure personal opinion.)

In my opinion (which is worth just what you’re paying for it,
if not less), the current ‘assault weapons ban’ (and, indeed,
all gun control legislation that I know of) is _not_
Constitutional, because it is not sufficiently narrowly-
drawn to meet any meaningful standard of "compelling state
interest".

>Be still, my wretching stomach.
>If that’s the price of the state’s existence, the state be damned.

And this is just the difficult question with which people
must struggle:  how do we balance the need for the existence
of some state (in order to protect our rights) with the fact
that the existence of any state will mean at least some
minimal reining in of some of our rights.

There are times (eg, 1776) and places (eg, the thirteen
colonies) at which people (eg, the signers of the Declaration
of Independence and those who followed them) come to the
conclusion that this balance is no longer being maintained,
but has swung to far toward the side of state power.  In such
cases, people may conclude that the state is no longer worth
preserving.  In short, they conclude that "the state (as it
exists) be damned."

I would only note that, IMO, there are no easy answers to
maintaining this balance.  I think that the U.S. Constitution
and the courts have done quite a good job of maintaining it
(though there are, no doubt, others who would disagree).

Finally, a question for absolutists:  if you deny the
possibility of "compelling state interest" with respect
to bearing arms, are you willing to be consistent and deny
it in all other cases, as well?  If so, you may find that
you have denied the possible existence of even a mimimal
state.  (There is nothing necessarily wrong with this
position, but it is one that few people seem willing
consistently to affirm; the "state of nature" is one that
few find particularly appealing.)

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hi…i’m a high school senior looking at colleges, and i think yale
might be ny first choice. but when i went to visit, i didn’t really
get any student input, especially on stuff like new haven and the social
scene. so if there are any yalies out there i’d love to hear anything and
everything you think i should know. (in other words, feel free to bitch.)
thanks
                -crissy

Ok.  here I go again.  Earlier this summer I asked for people from these
two colleges (plus a few others, but people _replied_ to those) to
contact me if they were willing to spend a couple minutes telling me
about their school.  
        But no one was in school!  So, now that most places have started
(except U of Chicago….dang!)  and you guys have your accounts back
(supposedly) I figured more people would read this group and maybe
respond.
        So, a little bit about me.  I live in Urbana, Illinois, where
the U of Illinois is located.  I’m a senior in high school, I get good
grades and have the extracurriculars.  I visited Amherst and Midd this
summer and had an interview at Midd and tours both places.  I have piles
of propaganda — ooops, I mean _viewbooks_ — and what I’d really like
is for REAL LIVE STUDENTS to talk to me.  
        Actually, I should apologize.  A couple people from Amherst
talked to me this summer.  But I need more!  So, if you’re bored or
something, or just would like to help lil ol me out, drop me a line.

Thanks!
Hannah

Hey everyone, it’s finally here. The first issue of the new semester!
And now on-line (correctly)!

Yes, since this first post, I’ve been corrected. You can grab the
rag from:

ftp.digex.net

in

/pub/access/clubside

From the Web you can load the URL:

ftp://ftp.digex.net/pub/access/clubside/v005n01.zip

The issue due out tomorrow (should be on-line by 8pm EST) would be:

ftp://ftp.digex.net/pub/access/clubside/v005n02.zip

These zip files contain postscript documents that print the same
issue we hand out locally.

The Clubside is a weekly filthy moronic rag packed with seneseless
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Maryland College Park, where the mag started three years ago.

Our drunken cohorts hand the issue out for free in front of the Union
and deliver copies to subscribers on or near canpus (for a measely
$3 a semester) while high and drunk.

If you’d like a snail-mailed sample issue, send your address to
‘edi…@clubside.deigex.net’. We also offer First Class Mail delivery
for $10 a semester (covers postage).

If weird thing are happening on your campus or in your attempt at
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to those who are published (we publish everything remotely useable,
even if we just bust on it).

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